Recorded on June 30, 2025

AI journalist Karen Hao’s book, Empire of AI: Dreams and Nightmares in Sam Altman's OpenAI, tells the story of OpenAI’s rise to power and its far-reaching impact all over the world. Hear from Karen Hao, former MIT Technology Review senior editor, and executive editor Niall Firth for a conversation exploring the AI arms race, what it means for all of us, and where it’s headed.

Speakers: Karen Hao, AI journalist, and Niall Firth, executive editor.